|Dear Praghosa prabhu|
Dear Praghosa prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thankyou for your e-mails. I'm glad you liked the articles.
I read your article published on VNN called POISON and agree with you that nobody was able to kill Srila Prabhupada rather he departed when he wanted to, under the full protection of the Lord.
Devotee: Prabhupada? Does Lord Jesus Christ appear in the spiritual sky with the body he manifested on the earth?
Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise how there can be resurrection? Ordinary body cannot be resurrected. He appeared in his spiritual body, certainly. Jesus Christ told, if I remember, that "Lord, excuse these persons," who were crucifying him. Is it not? He knew that "These rascals, they are killing me, but... They are offending certainly. So they do not know that I cannot be killed, but they are thinking that they are killing." You see? But that was offensive, therefore he begged Lord to be excused because God cannot excuse to the offenders of the devotee. He can excuse one who is offender to God, but if somebody is offender to the devotee, God never excuses. Therefore he prayed for them. That is devotee's qualification. He prays for everyone, even of his enemy. And he could not be killed. That he knew. But those rascals, they thought they were killing Jesus Christ.
(Bhagavad-gita 4.1-6 Los Angeles, January 3, 1969)
I do however accept that certain souls have commited the offence of giving him poison. I accept this on the strength of Srila Prabhupada's own statement:
"someone has poisoned me."
( S.P.Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana )
After i first heard this statement Srila Prabhupada kindly clarified the situation further for me, by his presence in transcendental sound. The first occasion was when he said the following.
Prabhupada: These, these rascals, they thought that "Jesus had a material body. Let us kill him." So Jesus Christ bewildered them more, to remain rascal, that they will continue to think that Jesus had a material body.
Jyotirmayi: Bewildered them?
Yogesvara: Yes, he bewildered them more by saying: "All right, go on thinking like that."
Prabhupada: That is their punishment. They remain always in darkness that Jesus had a material body.
(Room Conversation with devotees about Twelfth Canto Kali-yuga,and Conversation with Guest June 15, 1974, Paris)
This made me understand why, some souls, and those who follow and associate with them, cannot understand clearly about Srila Prabhupada's transcendental position and his ability to still initiate and accept disciples. The next occasion was when Srila Prabhupada said :
A sadhu, who has got the shelter of Krsna, if he is placed in the severest type of dangerous condition, he is never disturbed. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, his father was putting him in so many dangerous conditions, even he was supplying with poison. He knew that "My father has given me poison to drink. All right, let me drink. If Krsna likes, He will save me. I am now put into such dangerous position. I have to drink. Father is giving poison. Who can check?" And such a big powerful Hiranyakasipu. The mother cried, requested... He forced the mother, Prahlada's mother, "Give your son this poison." So she begged so much, but he was a rascal demon. "No, you must give." So the mother knew, the son knew that the rascal father is giving this poison. What can he do, a small child? "All right, let me drink." Gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. He is not agitating. "All right, if Krsna likes, I will live." This is the position of sadhu. He is not disturbed. Titiksavah. In all circumstances, he is tolerant. That is sadhu. Sadhu does not become disturbed. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others.
(B.G. Lec. 1.21-22 London July 18th 1973.)
In this way Srila Prabhupada clearly revealed his mentality in the face of such an offensive act.
In the next occasion he cleared my understanding of why he had said of his poisoners "All these friends"
Under the shelter of Vedanta, he's preaching atheism. So therefore they are more dangerous. Just like you are fighting with your enemies, that is very clear. "The other party is my enemy."
But if somebody's treating as your friend and within he's trying to kill you, enemy, oh, that is very dangerous enemy.
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta lecture, Adi-lila 7.109-114 San Francisco, February 20, 1967)
Finally he revealed that they were poison whispers and he could hear them due to his being free from the four defects of a conditioned soul, particularly imperfect senses.
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
( S.P.Room Conversation November 9, 1977, Vrndavana )
I heard all these things within a few days of reading the book "Someone has poisoned me" So i am fully convinced that this great offensive act has indeed taken place. I do not consider the issue to be political but rather it is very sobering for us, as it makes it very clear what we are dealing with.
It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society.
(Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970)
This sinister movement is no longer within the society, but it has become the society. According to the following quote it doesn't appear that they will be punished by the law of the state.
By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession; and to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.
(Sri Isopanisad Mantra 12)
I believe we are wasting our time trying to reform this sinister society, just like when we become entangle on book distribution trying to convince a born again Christain about the Krishna Consciousness philosophy, (you must have had the experience) it is simply Maya's play diverting us from our real buisness of giving the books to the innocent sincere souls. Due to our attachments and false ego we can't seem to back down from our attemps to convince him.
Similarly we have to be intelligent and try to be instrumental in saving the present very serious situation, namely the changing of Srila Prabhupada's original books and not waste valuable time with these souls. If we are following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada we have to begin to prove this by action then bewildered souls will join the real mission when they are completely frustrated. It will be impossible for us to push on the mission without the original books, therefore we should encourage devotees to utilise all their energies and laxmi to BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL BOOKS. Why waste time fighting these rascals in different ways, in debates or in courts of law? Do we need to wait for these souls to become purified, before we can start to push on the mission again ? If we want to fight them we have to fight them as Srila Prabhupada instructed.
If you all keep to the standard practices of pure spiritual life as I have humbly instructed you, there is no doubt that this Sankirtana Movement of Lord Caitanya will overtake all the earth and all opposing parties will be cracked down to nothing.
(S.P.Letter to Karandhara, Jan 1st, 1971)
Although jealous persons may be envious, if we stick to our principles and follow in the footsteps of the Panca-tattva, this movement will go on unchecked by imitation svamis, sannyasis, religionists, philosophers or scientists, for it is transcendental to all material considerations. Therefore those who propagate the Krishna consciousness movement should not be afraid of such rascals and fools.
(C.C. Adi 7.24)
We need to gain a little unity and spiritual strength to become instrumental in this great fight. This unity and strength will be gained when we put his Divine Grace very firmly back in the center by hearing from him daily in association.
One must be very meek and submissive and try to live peacefully by lending the ear to the speeches of the transcendentally self-realized soul who speaks on the message of Bhagavata-dharma or the religion of glorifying the Supreme Lord and His devotees. To glorify a great man is a natural instinct for living beings, but they have not learned to glorify the Lord. Perfection of life is attained simply by glorifying the Lord in association with a self-realized devotee of the Lord. The self-realized devotee is he who surrenders unto the Lord fully and who does not have attachment for material prosperity. Material prosperity and sense enjoyment and their advancement are all activities of ignorance in human society. Peace and friendship are impossible for a society detached from the association of God and His devotees. It is imperative, therefore, that one sincerely seek the association of pure devotees and hear them patiently and submissively from any position of life. (S.B. Intro)
You quoted from His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur in your article POISON.
"As long as we refuse to listen to him we are doomed to misunderstand everything"
This sums everything up very cleary. It is time for all of us to seriously Hear from Srila Prabhupada very patiently.
We must admit that we have realized definitely that the divine message from his holy lips is the congenial thing for suffering humanity. All of us should hear him patiently. If we listen to the transcendental sound without unnecessary opposition, he will surely have mercy upon us. The Acarya's Message is to take us back to our original home, back to God. Let me repeat, therefore, that we should hear him patiently, follow him in the measure of our conviction, and bow down at his lotus feet for releasing us from our present causeless unwillingness for serving the Absolute and all souls.
(Srila Prabhupada's Vyasa Puja offering, 1936)
Your servant Mukunda dasa.
P.S. I wonder why you find it hard to accept that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, after all you say,
"Srila Prabhupada was not poisoned - we were - by personal ambition and the enjoying spirit!"
If you accept that devotees were poisoned by personal ambition, you should consider the following words of our Divine Master.
This action of Kamsa is not very difficult to understand. There are many instances in the history of the world of persons in the royal order who have killed father, brother, or a whole family and friends for the satisfaction of their ambitions. There is nothing astonishing about this, for the demoniac can kill anyone for their nefarious ambitions.
(KRSNA BOOK CHAPTER ONE- Advent of Lord Krsna)
Please Accept My Humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you for sending me all of this material. For the most part you are well situated. But your articles dealing with "Avoiding Politics" stands in marked oppostion to your article dealing with the "second poisoning" of His Divine Grace. To refer to anything as the second poisoning implies that there was a FIRST! I am sending you an article I published last June in this regard. My advice is to avoid this business like the bubonic plague! It is unnecessary and does not serve your purpose. It is all offensive and degrading. Do not connect yourself with this business if you can avoid it. Push the hearing and chanting of Srila Prabhupada's Glories. Emphasize the Holy Name of Sri Krsna! Do not fall victim to this most mundane view of the "Eternal Resident of Krsnaloka". He is "PRABHUPADA"! That is one who is "Dear to Lord Krsna and situated at His Lotus Feet!" Read BG 18.57 carefully! Srila Prabhupada was the personification of one who always worked under the "PROTECTION" of the Lord! Do not assume any position other than humble slave or servant. Srila Prabhupada was completely in charge of his departure! This was his statement to us. Krsna had put his staying or leaving completely in Prabhupada's Hands. This is recorded history! Arrival and Departure were completely under the jurisdiction of Krsna! Do not ignore all the recorded statements of Love and affection expressed by Srila Prabhupada for all those who strained to care for him in the last year with us. Srila Prabhupada was not poisoned - we were - by personal ambition and the enjoying spirit!
Sincerely Praghosa Das