|YOU CAN SAY IN A GENTLEMANLY WAY|
But not directly, "demons are poisoning me to death.
Better to be amongst my real disciples on Parikrama
and die there " but you can say in a gentlemanly way,
"The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better
to be killed by Rama. Eh? " You see?
So asocyan anvasocas tvam prajna-vadams ca bhasase. But nanusocanti panditah: "One who is actually learned, he does not take very much care of these things." That means "You are a fool." That means "You are a fool." It is called parenthesis, or... That "A pandita, a learned man, does not do like this." It is called... What is the English? I do not remember now. That if I speak that "Sometimes, from my home, this thing was stolen, and the man who stole, he looked like you." But not directly, "You are the man who had stolen my property," but you can say in a gentlemanly way, "He looked like you." You see?
[Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, 1.16.17, Los Angeles, January 12, 1974]
One should select a spiritual master in that way and as soon as the spiritual master is selected, one should remain always a fool, although he may not be a fool, but the better position is like that. So Arjuna, instead of remaining on the same level as friend and friend, voluntarily accepting to remain a fool before Krsna. And Krsna is accepting that "You are a fool. You're talking just like a learned man, but you are a fool because you are lamenting on a matter which no learned man laments." That means "A fool laments," that "You are a fool. Therefore you are a fool." It is in a round about way... Just like, what is called in logic? Parenthesis? Or something like that, called. Yes. That if I say that "You look like that person who stole my watch," that means "You look like a thief." Similarly, (chuckles) Krsna, in a round about way, says that "My dear Arjuna, you are talking just like learned man, but you are lamenting on a subject matter which no learned man laments."
[Bhagavad-gita Lecture, 2.8-12, Los Angeles, November 27, 1968]
Jagadisa: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama? [Visisting holy places]
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) (break)
Prabhupada: ...good paddy.
Tamala Krsna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it's suicidal.
Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." Now you have to choose which suicide.
Prabhupada: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
[S.P.Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana]
Note: In a gentlemanly way Srila Prabhupada says "The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama." That means he is saying it is better to be amongst his real disciples on Parikrama (good paddy - where he will regain his health or as his Divine Grace clearly said "But i think i shall be cured") and die there than stay with demons and be poisoned to death.
In other words with this above statement alone Srila Prabhupada is saying he is been killed by demons. Only other similar heartless demons with no love for Srila Prabhupada cannot hear him saying this!!!
Therefore the above logic presented so nicely by Srila Prabhupada reveals that he was poisoned "to death" by his Judas disciples [demons]. Any other conclusion is not logic but speculation by deviants, and sinister cult supporters heading for a hell currently inhabited by one deceased demon with crushed bones.
But not directly, "demons are poisoning me to death. "
but you can say in a gentlemanly way, "These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned." You see?
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that you..., that it is said that you were poisoned?
Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned.
Tamala Krsna: Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Prabhupada: I read something.
Tamala Krsna: Ah, I see. That's why actually we cannot allow anyone else to cook for you.
Prabhupada: That is good.
Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja was telling that one acarya, Sankaracarya, of the Sankaracarya line--this was a while ago--he was poisoned to death. Since that time, none of the acaryas or the gurus of the Sankaracarya line will ever take any food cooked except by their own men.
Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja also.
Tamala Krsna: Oh. You, of course, have been so merciful that sometimes you would take prasada cooked by so many different people.
Prabhupada: That should be stopped.
[S.P. Room Conversation, November 8, 1977, Vrndavana]
Note: The killers from the APA ISKCON cult have written a book to defend themselves named "Not that i am poisoned". This statement by Srila Prabhupada is from his answer to Tamal's question "You said before that you..., that it is said that you were poisoned?"
Srila Prabhupada corrects this misunderstanding of Tamal by saying "No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned." So the person said Srila Prabhupada had the symptoms of a poisoned man, but he didn't say Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. "He said like that, not that I am poisoned." Yes he said like that in a gentlemanly way, not that he said directly Srila Prabhupada was poisoned.
Therefore the demons attempt to keep their followers in ignorance of their crime is simply cheating.
BETTER KILL ME HERE.
Bhavananda: We will never allow them to remove you to a hospital, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: You'll have to, gradually, according to his advice.
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. Better kill me here.
Svarupa Damodara: We won't, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: But if you are disgusted, that is another thing.
[S.P. Room Conversation, October 22, 1977, Vrndavana]
Note: This is very clear [unless one has an IRM remote controlled brain substance]
To be left with the butcher doctors was the worst, to be killed in his room by Judas disciples [Ravana's] better and to go on parikrama [pilgrimage] with his real disciples the best [Rama].
THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL.
BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH?
[Comments by Naveen Krishna dasa.]
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Today is Gour Purnima, a very auspicious day. I have been meaning to share
my thoughts on the statements about Rama and Ravana on Nov 10th, 1977 by His
Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada in Vrindavana. Since Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
also manifested his Sadbhuja form as Lord Ramachandra, Lord Krishna and Lord
Caitanya, I thought it may be all right to write about this matter today.
We know that there are always hinderances in the mission of the Lord and his
devotees. It is just part of the manifest pasttimes of the Lord. So in the
mission of Lord Rama, the hinderance, for the glorification of the Lord and
to show the mercy of the Lord, we have the presence of Ravana.
In Srila Prabhupada's mission, he writes about the presence of envious
persons in the garb of devotees in Iskcon, and how we may deal with them.
But first we have to know who they are.
On Nov 10th 1977, Srila Prabhupada made the most direct statements about
such persons. This was within 48 hours of his stating several times, in
different ways, that he thought it possible that somebody was poisoning him.
As you know by now, the servants present there confirmed that Srila
Prabhupada thought he was being poisoned.
Here is a recap of that section, as directly quoted from the Bhaktivedanta
Archives Conversation books volume 36, page 378.
Jagadisa: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the
Tamal Krsna: This seems like suicide Srila Prabhupada, this program.It seems
to some of us like its suicidal.
Prabhupada: AND THIS IS ALSO SUICIDAL.
TKG: Hm. Prabhupada said, "AND THIS IS ALSO SUICIDAL". NOW YOU HAVE TO
CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE.
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY
RAMA.EH? THAT MARICA-IF HE DOES NOT GO TO MISLEAD SITA, HE'LL BE KILLED BY
RAVANA; AND IF HE GOES TO BE KILLED BY RAMA, THEN IT IS BETTER.
Page 380..After so many statements by others that he should not go on
Prabhupada: BUT I THINK I SHALL BE CURED...(by removing myself from my
caretakers and going on parikrama).
First, on Nov 8th, Srila Prabhuapda, with his servants confirming, has
stated that it is possible that he has been poisoned by somebody. Hours
later, forensic experts confirm the whispers.."Its going down...the
poisons's going down". Now Srila Prabhupada states that he is being killed
by "Ravana", and that to stay there in the current situation is like
committing suicide, or being killed by Ravana. Instead if he is able to
leave the situation, even if he dies, then that is prefered because then he
would be die in the care of "Rama"..instead of in the care of "Ravana".
He confirms again a few minutes later that he will be cured by leaving that
situation and getting away on parikrama.
Here are the blatantly obvious questions:
-Who is the Ravana that Srila Prabhupada is stating will kill him?
-Why was TKG so cool and quick in his understanding that, "NOW YOU HAVE TO
CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE"? Such an astonishing statement! And why wasn't he, as
Srila Prabhupada's caretaker, not immediately concerned as to why Srila
Prabhupada thought that staying there was suicide; or to find out WHO WAS
-Is the RAVANA connection to the previous discussions about being poisoned
-Why does Prabhupada compare himself to Marica? Does he know that his name
will be used to mislead others by the Ravana in the future just like Marica
was used to mislead Sita? Have we been mislead for years by the "Ravana" and
Note some of the pasttimes and ambitions of Ravana:
1.Meaning of the word Ravana.."One who makes others cry"
2.Dresses as a sannyasi to mislead Sita.
3.Performs great austerities to achieve his purposes.
4.Steals Sita...but only the false Sita.(Is there a false Iskcon in a
similar way...stolen by Ravana?). Then what and where is the real Iskcon?
Note by Mukunda dasa: ANSWER = GOING ON INTERNALLY - ORIGINAL BOOKS and Followers:
They are now feeling the weight of this movement. Formerly they thought these people come and go, but now they see we are staying. Now we have set fire. It will go on, it cannot be stopped. You can bring big, big fire brigades but the fire will act. The brainwash books are already there. Even if they stop externally, internally it will go on. Our first class campaign is book distribution. Go house to house. The real fighting is now. Krsna will give you all protection. So, chant Hare Krsna and fight.
(S.P. Letter to: Tamala Krsna, Vrindaban 30 October, 1976)
5.Uses Marica to mislead Sita? (Has Prabhupada's name been used over and
over again to cheat and mislead thousands of devotees?)
Finally, what would YOU have done if Srila Prabhupada was saying that by
leaving that situation with "Ravana" HE WOULD BE CURED? Beg him to stay
where he was? Why? Did the Kaviraja know better than Srila Prabhupada that
Srila Prabhupada desires were protested so strongly? Was there another
I hope you have had a nice Gour Purnima festival....whatever your situation
may be...and that you are resolved to help Srila Prabhupada save his
Naveen Krishna dasa.