| Rupanuga: Intoxication. Prabhupada: ? Hm? These are old. Rupanuga: Technology. Prabhupada: Yes. Rupanuga: So many gadgets to... Prabhupada: Anthropomorphis... What is called? Anthropology. Pusta Krsna: University of Avidya. Prabhupada: Yes. (Chuckles) Right you are. Avidyara bhore. Kota nidra jao maya avidyara bhore. Pancadravida: Psychiatrists. Prabhupada: Yes. All Western adventure to keep people in darkness. And that is going on. Now it will be smashed by the next war. Next war will come very soon. Tamala Krsna: (Surprised) Oh! Prabhupada: Yes. Tamala Krsna: Next war...? Prabhupada: Your country, America, is very much eager to kill these Communists. And the Communists are also very eager. So very soon there will be war. And perhaps India will be the greatest sufferer. Tamala Krsna: Greatest...? Devotees: Sufferer. Srutakirti: Sufferer. Prabhupada: Because America is aiming to start the war from India. Devotee: Oh! Prabhupada: Yes. Because India and Russia, they are... Brahmananda: They are... Friendship. Prabhupada: No. Side by side. If the war is started from India... Rupanuga: So India will become... Prabhupada: And the Russians are ready here already, I have heard, with soldiers and... Not soldiers. I mean to say. Hamsaduta: Missiles. Prabhupada: Yes. They are also vigilant. Visnujana: Will that help our preaching, Prabhupada? Prabhupada: Preaching will be very nice after the war when both of them, especially Russia, will be finished. Rupanuga: They want to make India the battleground? Paramahamsa: Also, Prabhupada, Atreya Rsi said that the Arabs are preparing for the war. They're buying billions and billions of dollars worth of missiles and jets and tanks from America. Prabhupada: Yes, so they are being prepared. War will soon start. Visnujana: The Arab men all go to America to be trained in the armed forces there. Prabhupada: Hm? Visnujana: In all the armed forces centers in America, they train the Arab nations to fight. Prabhupada: Oh. Visnujana: They let the young men come into the U.S.A. to learn how to use the missiles and everything. Pancadravida: Recently, this Bhutto of Pakistan, he was very happy because they were talking about lifting a ten-year holding on arms from the United States, and now, they say, Pakistan will soon get arms from America. Prabhupada: Yes, they are getting. They are already getting. The Pakistan will start the war with India. And then everything will be... Devotees: Oh! Whew! Devotee: Pakistan will start a war... (devotees talking among themselves.) Pancadravida: They have started the war maybe eight times. Prabhupada: (Aside:) Hmm? No, we can go. Pancadravida: What will the devotees do while the war is going on? Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krsna. Devotees: Jaya! (laughter) Prabhupada: You have got only business. Pancadravida: Will we stay in the cities or will...? Prabhupada: We can stay anywhere. We have got our Mayapur, Vrndavana. But the danger is the government will say that "All Americans go away." That is the danger. I am thinking of that position. What shall I do at that time? Pusta Krsna: Take Indian citizenship? Prabhupada: Eh? Pusta Krsna: Indian citizenship? Prabhupada: If you take, it is very nice. Then they will ask you to go to war. (laughter) Tamala Krsna: Will this war spread to many different countries and continents? Prabhupada: The actual war will be between America and Russia. Rupanuga: What about British devotees, British citizens? Would the British be asked to leave, British citizens? Commonwealth citizens? Prabhupada: Britishers are now finished. They have no importance. Pancadravida: He means if British devotees came to India, would they be asked to leave. Prabhupada: No, no, I mean to say... I am speaking of politics. Devotees are the same... Oh, British citizens...? They may... Rupanuga: You say the Americans might have to leave. What about the British? Prabhupada: But they, generally, during wartime... Visnujana: Everyone. Prabhupada: ...they ask all foreigners. Tamala Krsna: Oh, I see. Jayapataka: During the last war, the Christian Mission of Krishnanagar, they had many Italian priests also, but the government gave them permission to stay, although India was at war with Italians. Prabhupada: In the missionary consideration, they can do that. Jayadvaita: What will be the position with the Chinese if the Russians and Americans fight? Prabhupada: Well I am not a politician. (laughter) China does not war, not want war. They want to... Tamala Krsna: Develop. Prabhupada: Construct. Rupanuga: They're not ready. Prabhupada: Yes. They are not very much interested in war. Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, you said that this war will destroy the demonic civilization. Prabhupada: Yes. Paramahamsa: Does that mean that it'll destroy all the cities and all the industries? Prabhupada: War means destruction of all cities. That is natural. You have got experience in Europe so many times. Hamsaduta: Cities and industries. Prabhupada: Eh? Hamsaduta: Cities and industries. Prabhupada: Yes, that is the main target. Hamsaduta: Nobody's interested in a farm. (break) Jayadvaita: ...endeavor, pure devotees are automatically expert in politics, economics, everything. Prabhupada: Eh? Jayadvaita: Without separate endeavor, a pure devotee is automatically expert in everything. Prabhupada: Yes. Jayadvaita: Politics, economics. Prabhupada: Yes. Jayadvaita: Sociology. Prabhupada: Yasmin vijnate sarvam evam vijnatam bhavanti. If you know Krsna, then you understand everything. That is the Vedic injunction. Yasmin vijnate. If you simply understand Krsna... In Bhagavad-gita, it is also said that "There will be no more anything to understand." In the Ninth Chapter? What is that verse? Can anyone say? Jayadvaita: The Fifteenth Chapter. Prabhupada: Avasisyate. Jnatavyam avasisyate. You cannot...? Santosa: Yaj jnatva... Prabhupada: ...cannot rec..., the whole verse? Santosa: Yaj jnatva neha bhuyo 'nyaj. Prabhupada: That is the second line. First line? Santosa: Sa evam guhyatamam vaksyamy asesatah. Prabhupada: Vaksyamy... Yes, that is the verse. Yaj jnatva anyaj jnatavyam na avasisyate. Krsna consciousness is such a great science that if one becomes expert, then he knows everything. Hamsaduta: So Prabhupada, is there something we should do to prepare ourselves for this disaster? Prabhupada: What? Hamsaduta: This coming war. Prabhupada: You should simply prepare for chanting Hare Krsna. Hamsaduta: That's all? Prabhupada: That's all. Pusta Krsna: Prabhupada, people sometimes argue that "God placed us in this world..." Prabhupada: Hm? Pusta Krsna: People argue that "God has placed us in this world, and that He's left us in darkness, so therefore He's played a trick on us." What is our argument against this? Prabhupada: You have come to this world of darkness, and Krsna is trying to raise you again to the light. That is the fact. You have willingly come to this nonsense place. Krsna is so kind that He comes Himself and tries to again get you out, deliver from this nonsense thing. This is real position. Tripurari: They say that "God has put us here, but He's given us intelligence, so we're to figure it out ourselves." Prabhupada: Eh? Tripurari: That "God has put us here, and He's given us intelligence, so we're to figure it out ourselves." Prabhupada: So therefore, you take intelligence from God, you rascal. Why do you keep yourself in darkness? Tripurari: Well, they say that "God has given us the intelligence to figure it out on our own." Prabhupada: That is intelligence--you surrender. You are surrendering to maya, to your wife, to your dog, to your family, to your house, to your nation. Why not God? You rascal. You are surrendering to so many other things. Why not to God? Rupanuga: Just like you told that Russian professor that he is surrendering to Lenin, but we are surrendering to Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. Rupanuga: But everyone has to surrender. Prabhupada: Surrender, this, that is the only way. You cannot become independent. You have to surrender. Who is a man who has not surrendered? At least he finds out a dog and surrenders to him. (laughter) In your country there are so many people living with the dog. So surrender is the only business of you. Jivera 'svarupa' haya nitya krsna dasa. (pause) So Acyutananda cannot come? Visnujana: He's lecturing in the temple. Prabhupada: Oh. Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, someone asked a question the other day about the atom which I couldn't give the answer to. His question is that if we say that within the atom the living entity, the jiva, is present, and life symptoms means six symptoms of birth, growth... Prabhupada: That's all right. Their life symptoms has not yet come. But there is. Jayadvaita: Potential. Prabhupada: Yes. Tamala Krsna: His question was... It was sort of a dual question. At what time, or what...? Just like at the time of disintegration of this body, the living entity leaves this body and the body disintegrates, so does the atomic body also disintegrate when the living entity leaves it and moves to a higher body? Prabhupada: Atomic body? Atomic body means material body. Unless you are free from this material body, the atomic body will go on with you. That means unless you are mukta, the atomic body will go on. Mind, intelligence, ego--they are also atomic, finer atomic body. Tamala Krsna: But within each atom the living entity is present? Prabhupada: Yes. God is present; therefore living entity is present. Tamala Krsna: So the living entity is present within the atom just as I am present within this body. When I leave this body, my body breaks apart. Prabhupada: Yes, you leave this body, enter another body. Tamala Krsna: Right. Prabhupada: By nature's law. Tamala Krsna: And when I leave this body, the body breaks apart. Prabhupada: Eh? Tamala Krsna: When I leave this body, the body dis... Prabhupada: The body is already atomic combination. Tamala Krsna: Yes. Prabhupada: So it remains atomic combination. You leave the body. Tamala Krsna: Yes. It remains... Prabhupada: You leave the house. That does not mean the house is finished. Tamala Krsna: Right, I can understand that. Hamsaduta: He's asking that if the soul leaves the atomic particle, then does the particle break apart. Isn't it? Prabhupada: No, no. You have not left atomic particle. Tamala Krsna: No, but you, you're... I think you were saying that within the atom there's also a living entity. So when that living entity leaves the atomic particle does the particle break apart? Or doesn't it? I mean what...? Prabhupada: Just try to understand. From the sastra, you understand that andantara-stham: "God lives within the atom." Tamala Krsna: Yes. Prabhupada: And when the God is there, living entity's also there. This... This much you try to understand. Because God and living entity, they remain together, as two friends. God is trying to save this fallen friend. That is the information from Upanisad. So when God is there, the living entity is also there. Rupanuga: So Paramatma and jivatma are always together. Prabhupada: Yes. Tamala Krsna: Can we say that the living entity is present within the atom by consciousness? Prabhupada: Hm? No. Consciousness will gradually develop according to the bodily situation. Pancadravida: How does the jiva get out of the atom and take a gross body? Prabhupada: Hmm? Pancadravida: How will that jiva..." Prabhupada: (laughing) Body is combination of atoms. How he gets out of the atom. Body is nothing but combination of many atoms. Everything material is combination of many atoms. That's all. Pancadravida: The jivas inside the atom, are they like impersonalists who are in the Brahman? Prabhupada: That you consider. He has not developed his consciousness. Practically, it is like dead. Tamala Krsna: Actually, if there was a war, a large-scale war, I think that our farming projects... Prabhupada: Hm? Tamala Krsna: I think that the various farm projects that we have would be very good because, as you said, the cities would be bombed, but the farms would not be disturbed. Prabhupada: Yes. The farm project... Even some hundreds of years, it was so nice. Even there was war, they would not attack the farmers. Rather, they would ask, "Where the other party has gone?" So they will say: "Oh, we have seen some soldiers going this way." That's all. They were not affected. That was the principle. Farmers were not attacked, just like at the present moment, the law is the civilians are not attacked. The military target is attacked. That is the law. But they do all nonsense. Even at the present moment civilians are not attacked. Just like Kuruksetra Battle. It was taken far away from the civilian inhabitation. Hamsaduta: Some field. Prabhupada: Yes. That is civilization. "Why these innocent civilians should be killed? Let us fight, military to military. That's all." That is honest fighting. We have to settle some things by fighting. So fighting may be, I mean to say, limited within the fighters, not with the civilians. Ramesvara: In modern warfare it's... Prabhupada: Why not? Yes. But they, they are so rascals, they throw bomb anywhere. Tamala Krsna: Especially atom bomb. Prabhupada: But one thing is that because civilians are also responsible for declaring war, because the parliament is the representation of the people... Pusta Krsna: Karma. Prabhupada: Therefore, now the war is between people to people, nation to nation. They support with men and money. So therefore they are also killed by nature's law. (break) Ramesvara: Prabhupada, in the Adi-lila, you wrote that the Communist movement is greater than the capitalist movement because there are more sudras than vaisyas so that in a war between Communism and capitalism, the Communists would win. Prabhupada: Naturally. They are in greater number. Ramesvara: But these modern wars are fought with missiles and bombs more than armies. Prabhupada: Yes. Formerly, also, there were brahmastra, fire, firearms, brahmastra. (break) ...problems that we are facing, they were also in the past under different name, different form. Nalini-kanta: (break) ...Communists win, that will not stop our preaching? Prabhupada: Hm? Nalini-kanta: They do not like to hear of God. Ramesvara: You wrote that if the Communists are victorious they would destroy whatever is left of the culture. Prabhupada: Yes. Victory for the Communists means the whole human culture is lost. Ajata-satru: Does it mean that they will also attack the Krsna consciousness? Prabhupada: Yes, they have already begun. They are not passing our temple in Bombay. Nalini-kanta: If after the war the preaching will be still good, that means the Communists will not be victorious. Prabhupada: Yes. Nalini-kanta: The Americans will win? Prabhupada: Honest people will take to religious way of life. The Communists becoming victorious means they are also ruined. Who is that saintly person, sitting under the tree? Devotees: Tusta-krsna Maharaja. Prabhupada: Oh. (break) ...too much danger, you all come and sit down here. Chant Hare Krsna. That's all. Devotees: Jaya. Thank you, Srila Prabhupada. Jayadvaita: Then men will be eager to come join our India project. Prabhupada: Yes. Tamala Krsna: We can go to Africa also. (laughter) Prabhupada: Oh, anywhere we can go, so many places, yes. Pancadravida: Hong Kong also. Prabhupada: Hong Kong? (laughter) Pusta Krsna: Bhavananda Maharaja can... Ajata-satru: Means then some devotees has to stay in Europe or in America. So... Prabhupada: Yes, everything you stay. We have got place like this. Rupanuga: Our farms are very nice because economically when everything is in chaos, we can still provide food for our men. Prabhupada: Yes. Rupanuga: And milk and butter. Pancadravida: Milk and butter. Santosa: In America, prabhu. (break) Ramesvara: ...that if there is a war between Russia and America, there would be a nuclear war and they would pollute the whole atmosphere with radioactive particles which would kill everyone. Prabhupada: It is already polluted. Ramesvara: They say that this radioactive fall-out... Prabhupada: The whole material world is polluted. Who will live here? A little, say, twenty years before, dying. After all, you have to die, twenty years after or twenty years before. So it is already polluted. That is humbugism. They will die at the end, but still they are trying to live. (kirtana in background growing progressively louder as Prabhupada approaches temple) Tamala Krsna: Like they're creating their own... Prabhupada: This is the difference between man of knowledge and without knowledge. A man of knowledge will think, "After all, I have to die. So what is the difficulty, dying a few days more or before?" That is knowledge. And those who are not in knowledge, they are afraid of death. Best business is before the death comes let us finish our Krsna consciousness perfectly. That is wanted. Death will come. You cannot avoid it. Ramesvara: They say that this radioactive fallout will pollute the air so that no crops can be grown. Prabhupada: That's all right. You shall die without food. Be(cause) after all, the death. In Bengal, it is called: more bhera ghalne (?): "The most misfortunate thing is death." That will come. Therefore the best intelligence is how to avoid death. Rupanuga: Become immortal. Prabhupada: Yes. That is real intelligence, not to be bothered by these trifle temporary things that "I am dying twenty years before. If the situation was better, I would have lived more twenty years." What is this mentality? Devotee: Back to Godhead. Ajata-satru: Yes, we can go back to Godhead. (Prabhupada enters temple, kirtana very loud) (end) |