A
gentleman, if he commits some mistake, he admits
AND
The
persistent rascal PADA guru-tyagi's
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Dear
Prabhu's please accept my humble obeisances. All glories
to Srila Prabhupada.
Please
forgive my mistake for suggesting that Srila Prabhupada never
used the phrase HEADQUARTERS. I am a fallen soul with the four
defects. He certainly did use the term and he
authorized the Los Angeles Temple as the World Headquarters
Now if i
can represent that particular point about a headquarters for an organization,
i will rephrase my sentence to:
Who
authorized Kapindra swami to ban another center from
Prabhupada's Sankirtana movement and make his center the
headquarters of Prabhupada Sankirtana Society ?
Also i would
like to refocus on the main points of my article, which
have being expertly covered with this smoke screen by
Kapindra's friend mr. puranjana.
CONCLUSION:
1.
Kapindra swami should first carefully read the articles or
letters of other devotees if he believes his role is that
of some spiritual leader. Simply hearing the fanatical
rhetoric of others is mental speculation and acting on that is
simply nonsensical.
2. After
careful study of that devotees articles etc. if he finds any
philosophical discrepancies he should try to reform that
devotee by kind words and dealings and of course present the
correct conclusion to him from Srila Prabhupada's teachings. .
It is not Srila Prabhupada's policy to reject someone
on any personal grounds.
3.
Kapindra Swami should clearly understand that he has no
authority to ban or reject anyone (what to speak of a whole
temple) from Srila Prabhupada's Sankirtana movement. That idea
is simply rascaldom coming from the false ego platform
that one shall dominate. All devotees have been thoroughly
disgusted by this type of treatment from the tamul sinister
movement.
4.
Kapindra swami should clearly understand that all temples
are independent and that none is the head rather all are the
instrumental humble servants of Srila Prabhupada's desire to
spread the Holy Name in ever town and village.
"A
gentleman, if he commits some mistake, he admits,
"Yes." He is gentleman. And if he persists on his
mistake, he is rascal. He is a rascal. So he is a
gentleman."
Prabhupada:
Yes, actually. He must be standing on truth. That is
greatness. Because "to err is human." Anyone commits
mistake. There is no doubt about it. But after committing
mistake, if I stick to that mistake, that is foolishness. When
it is detected that it is mistake, you must admit. That is
greatness.
(S.P.Morning
Walk February 1, 1977, Bhubaneshwar)
Prabhupada: (chuckles) He is gentleman. He has admitted. A gentleman, if he commits some mistake, he admits, "Yes." He is gentleman. And if he persists on his mistake, he is rascal. He is a rascal. So he is a gentleman. (end)
(S.P.Morning
Walk July 18, 1975, San Francisco)
Note: It
is a shame that mr. puranjana at PADA doesn't also admit
his mistake. He has compromised with the Turley law firm and
some of the ex-gurukula students and tried to minimize their
extremely severe blasphemous charges against Srila
Prabhupada, instead of acting in the way that he
advertises himself as doing, namely defending Srila
Prabhupada from being defamed (PRABHUPADA ANTI DEFAMATION
ASSOCIATION.)
But
thinking about it, it is not reasonable to expect
gentlemanly behaivor from a guru-tyagi who's only goal is
to get tamul out of his seat at any price. Even if it
means that the most exalted name and fame of His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada has to be dragged through
the dirt, to achieve this.
The guru-bogi's
(apa-iskcon) and guru-tyagi's (pada club) are both useless
persons and neither do care to counteract this great
blasphemous Turley case. That is the duty of a servant of a
guru and the Vaisnavas
One
should tolerate insults against oneself, but when
there is blasphemy committed against superiors such as other
Vaisnavas, one should be neither humble nor meek; one must
take proper steps to counteract such blasphemy. This is the
duty of a servant of a guru and Vaisnavas.
(C.C.
Adi Lila 10.85)
So
the ISKCON breakdown is - tamul must be driven out, the
grudge is against tamul. The whole plan is how to get out
this tamul and not how to preach
Prabhupada:Our
Kunja Babu also planned like that. He thought, "By
cheating all the God-brothers, I have got now Caitanya
Matha. And people will come to see Caitanya Mahaprabhu's
birthplace, and I will get good income. And it will be
distributed amongst my brothers and sons and myself.
That's all." That is his scheme.
Tamala Krsna: Perfect material plan. Prabhupada: Yes. It is another way of earning money. And he was always after Guru Maharaja only for this purpose. Guru Maharaja took that "Oh, this man is helping me." But he had no such plan, to help Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. He had the plan, "Keep Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati in front, earn money, and put it in my pocket." That was his very beginning. He was taking money like anything. But he was a good manager. Other God-brothers complained, sannyasis. Guru Maharaja used to say that "Why you are complaining? You cannot reform him, your God-brother? And if I would have to keep expert manager like him, I would have to pay something. Suppose he is taking something, why do you grudge?" (Prabhupada laughing) He would say like that. So nobody could say anything. But after the demise, everything burst out. "Kunja Babu must be driven out." That was the whole plan of Gaudiya Matha breakdown. The grudge was against Kunja Babu. Tamala Krsna: Who is Kunja Babu? Prabhupada: That Tirtha Maharaja. His name is Kunja Vihari Sar. So that was boiling in everyone's heart. So as soon as Guru Maharaja passed away, so that burst out. And the whole plan was how to get out this Kunja Babu. Tamala Krsna: Not how to preach. Prabhupada: No. This was the cause of breakdown. This was suppressed by Guru Maharaja under his influence, but the rebellious was there during his lifetime. And it burst into... Therefore he advised that "You make a governing body and Kunja Babu should be allowed to remain manager." This was directly spoken. He never asked anybody to become acarya. He asked that "You form a governing body of twelve men and go on preaching, and Kunja Babu may be allowed to remain manager during his lifetime." He never said that Kunja Babu should be acarya. None, none of them were advised by Guru Maharaja to become acarya. His idea was "Let them manage; then whoever will be actual qualified for becoming acarya, they will elect. Why I should enforce upon them?" That was his plan. "Let them manage by strong governing body, as it is going on. Then acarya will come by his qualifications." But they wanted that... Because at heart, they were, "After demise of Guru, I shall become acarya." "I shall become acarya." So all the acaryas began fight.
(S.P.Room
Conversation with Banker September 21, 1973, Bombay)
Note:
So the ISKCON breakdown is - tamul must be driven out, the
grudge is against tamul. The whole plan is how to get out
this tamul and not how to preach. No, not how to preach
about the importance of hearing from Srila Prabhupada with
the aim to again bring him back in the center as the
Acarya. (acarya will come by his qualifications -
I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.)
Or how to preach about saving Srila Prabhupada from the
second poisoning i.e. the book changing. Or to
strongly preach in defense of Srila Prabhupada's honor,
and to practically cooperate to achieve these things. No
because at heart, they are, "After demise of Guru, I
shall become acarya." "I shall become
acarya." So all the acaryas began to fight.
The
PADA guru tyagi's are very hard to capture because
they present themselves as guru-sevi's although at heart
they don't have the service mentality towards Srila
Prabhupada. They defend Srila Prabhupada in name only. "Child
Molester Guru's" they cry, and "these guru-bhogi's
poisoned Prabhupada to death" but these things are
not really their concern but are simply vehicles which
they use to achieve their objective i.e. "tamul
must be driven out then i become Acarya (in other words
"i become famous as the great reformer and all will
listen to me not Prabhupada")
When
the Turley case (which makes Srila Prabhupada the
scapegoat for all the crimes of apa-iskcon) was
officially announced, the PADA guru-tyagi's tried to play
down the very severe blasphemous charges made against
Srila Prabhupada, WHY ?
The
PADA guru-tyagi's have considered all along that this
case will be their best vehicle to get tamul out. To
defend Srila Prabhupada would mean fighting against the blasphemous
mentality now fully manifest in the Turley party and
organizing a truthful court case bringing in the facts
regarding Srila Prabhupada's instructions on Gurukula,
protection of children etc. and on how the apa-iskcon
neglected all of these instructions and his
Direction of Management.
Srila
Prabhupada's own poisoning to death at the hands of the
pseudo-Krishna cult leaders would also be main
evidence in defense of the real Hare Krishna movement and
it's saintly Founder-Acarya. Such a genuine fight
would take time to manifest and therefore prolong tamuls
stay in his apa-iskcon acarya seat.
For
over twenty years the PADA guru-tyagi's have been
waiting for tamuls seat, now the smell of the BIG BHOGA is
very strong due to Mr. Turley's greedy interests.
So the
Lord put these PADA guru-tyagi's to the test.
Fight
and defend Srila Prabhupada or go for tamuls seat with the
help of the blasphemers Turley and co. ?
They
failed the test long ago and have now exposed their true colors.
39. You have become renouncers, brothers, so renounce everything. But if you also renounce the order of the spiritual master, then what kind of renunciation is that? 40. The one who renounces the guru’s order (guru tyagi) and the one who tries to enjoy the assets of his spiritual master (guru-bhoghi) are two kinds of useless persons. First become a servant of your spiritual master (guru-sevi) and then you will understand things clearly. (Extracts from the Phalgun Krishna Pancami – an offering of prayers by Srila Prabhupada to Srila 108 Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Thakur, Vrindavana, India, 1961)
The order of the spiritual master
One
should not at any time tolerate blasphemy and insults
against Lord Visnu or His devotees. A
devotee is generally very humble and meek, and he is
reluctant to pick a quarrel with anyone. Nor does he
envy anyone. However, a pure devotee immediately
becomes fiery with anger when he sees that Lord Visnu or
His devotee is insulted. This is the duty of a devotee.
Although a devotee maintains an attitude of meekness and
gentleness, it is a great fault on his part
if he remains silent when the Lord or His devotee is
blasphemed.
(S.B.
4.14.32)
Your
servant Mukunda dasa.
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