I.R.M. - THAT IS DEVIATION
 
"Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master
is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas
 into spiritual advancement. That is deviation."
 
 
TRANSLATION: Some of the disciples strictly accepted the orders of the acarya, and others deviated, independently concocting their own opinions under the spell of daivi-maya.
 
PURPORT: This verse describes the beginning of a schism. When disciples do not stick to the principle of accepting the order of their spiritual master, immediately there are two opinions. Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas.
 
TRANSLATION: The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.
 
PURPORT: Here is the opinion of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless. [C.C. Adi Lila 12.9-10]
 
Note: So the opinion of Srila Prabhupada is "Someone has poisoned me" and the Bogus I.R.M. have an opinion different from the opinion of Srila Prabhupada - That is useless.  I.R.M. cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation.
 
The I.R.M. have made a very severe offense by preaching this mundane interpretation to Srila Prabhupada's clear transcendental words.
 
Let's look at the whole conversation, and then the I.R.M. concoction:
 

Bhavananda: Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning also.

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) ...mental distress?

Translation: What was that all about mental distress?

Prabhupada: Hm, hm.

Kaviraja [Doctor]: (Hindi)

Translation: Say it. Say it.

Prabhupada: Vahi bat ... jekoi hamko poison kiya

Translation: That same thing … that someone has poisoned me.

Kaviraja:  Look, this is the thing, that maybe some rakshasa (demon) gave him poison…                                                                                                                                               

Devotee: Someone gave him poison here.

Kaviraja: Caru Swami, some rakshasa might have given it, maybe so. It's not impossible. Someone gave  poison to Sankaracharya for six months before he started to suffer. [The poisoner] ground glass, you know, bottle glass, and mixed it with his food. So what happened to him [the poisoner] as a result was that after twelve months, his entire body was covered with leprosy. So, you have to suffer the results of your actions. But whatever medicine I have given will, if it has an effect the poison will not be able to stay. That is guaranteed. Whatever it has affected, it will not be able to stay. But we cannot now catch the fellow who gave the poison. No matter what reason his kidneys are bad, whether from disease, planets or poison, my medicine will counteract it."

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him.

Adri-dharana: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: That was the mental distress.

Adri-dharana: Yes.

Kaviraja: If he says that, they must definitely be some truth to it
 
Tamala Krsna: What did Kaviraja just say?

Bhakti-caru: He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be some truth behind it.
 
Tamala Krsna: Tssh. (People all speaking at once)

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, Sastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you say that.
So who is it that has poisoned?
 
[13 second pause, Srila Prabhupada remains silent and does not answer]

[ S.P.Room Conversation November 10, 1977, Vrndavana

I.R.M. CONCOCTION: Thus when Srila Prabhupada states 'someone has poisoned me', he is simply identifying the discussion which has led to the 'mental distress'. The talk on the previous day, as we have seen, was indeed in reference to 'someone has poisoned me'. Thus the phrase, 'someone has poisoned me', because it is prefaced with 'that same discussion', is used simply to refer back to the previous discussions in question. A previous discussion in which someone else had spoken of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, or more accurately, displaying the symptoms of someone being poisoned.

In other words:

  1. Srila Prabhupada is asked a question - 'what was that all about, mental distress'?
  2. Srila Prabhupada answers initially - 'that same discussion'.
  3. He then clarifies which discussion he is referring to by adding - 'that someone has poisoned me'.

Thus though Srila Prabhupada does speak the words - 'someone has poisoned me' - he only states them to identify the series of talks, which were to do with Srila Prabhupada being poisoned - but in which Srila Prabhupada himself never states that someone has poisoned him.

Note:  Tamal Krsna asks Srila Prabhupada a very clear question "So who is it that has poisoned?"  He doesn't ask "Have you being poisoned ?" because that is already cleared by Srila Prabhupada's statement "That same thing … that someone has poisoned me" The question now is who has poisoned.

Therefore Srila Prabhupada's silence means he's accepting what Tamal says.

 If we remain silent, then whatever he says, that means we are accepting.

[S.P. Discussion about Guru Maharaji August 13, 1973, Paris]

 
Note: If Srila Prabhupada's statement "That same thing … that someone has poisoned me" was misunderstood by the devotees at that time and Srila Prabhupada was only referring to a previous discussion as the bogus I.R.M. have materially concocted, then when Srila Prabhupada was asked a very pointed question by Tamal namely "So who is it that has poisoned?" why did he not say "No not that i am poisoned, i was only referring to the previous discussion in which i said it was possible" ???
 
Srila Prabhupada was silent because he agreed with what they had understood, as one devotee immediately stated "Someone gave him poison here."
 
Therefore, SRILA PRABHUPADA CONFIRMS AGAIN "SOMEONE HAS POISONED ME" BY REMAINING SILENT AND NOT ANSWERING TAMAL.

If we theoretically accept that Srila Prabhupada was identifying the previous discussion in which he said: "Someone says that I've been poisoned. It is possible" this would mean (if we accept the I.R.M's reasoning on why Srila Prabhupada uses the words "Someone has poisoned me") that Srila Prabhupada wasn't intelligent enough to use the correct words. Srila Prabhupada uses the word HAS poisoned me. If the issue of Srila Prabhupada's poisoning was still only a possibility, His Divine Grace would have said " That same thing … that someone says I've been poisoned"

Therefore even accepting the I.R.M. concoction that Srila Prabhupada is identifying the previous discussion, he is now clearing the doubts by saying "Someone HAS poisoned me"

 

THAT IS THE WAY OF FALSEHOOD

Prabhupada: That is the way of falsehood. If once you speak something false, then to protect that falsehood you have to take to so many other falsehoods. This is the way of falsehood.
Paramahamsa: One lie leads to another. [S.P. Morning Walk, June 2, 1975, Honolulu]
 

Note: So the I.R.M. have taken to the falsehood of preaching this mundane interpretation to Srila Prabhupada's clear transcendental words. "Someone has poisoned me" to protect the original falsehood, that of reforming an apa-sampradaya.

 In the parampara system, the instructions taken from the bona fide spiritual master must also be based on revealed Vedic scriptures. One who is in the line of disciplic succession cannot manufacture his own way of behavior. There are many so-called followers of the Vaisnava cult in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu who do not scrupulously follow the conclusions of the sastras, and therefore they are considered to be apa-sampradaya, which means "outside of the sampradaya." Some of these groups are known as aula, baula, kartabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibheki, smarta, jata-gosani, ativadi, cudadhari and gauranga-nagari. In order to follow strictly the disciplic succession of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, one should not associate with these apa-sampradaya communities.

( C.C. Adi 7.48)

Note: Srila Prabhupada instructs us not associate with apa-sampradaya communities such as tamal's APA-ISKCON. A community which he described as a sinister movement, full of rogues who are the most dangerous elements in human society. (see S.P. Letter to Hansaduta and Sri Isopanisad Mantra12)

Srila Prabhupada says avoid - I.R.M says reform. The Original opinion different from the spiritual master's!!!

Even if the sinister movement is "reformed" and accepts the ritvik system does this acceptance of a formal system of management change the heart of souls who have being worshipping, following and supporting Srila Prabhupada's killers (the most severe offenders) ???

Such souls have being given a cheater guru by the Lord in the heart because they are not at all sincere. So even if these souls are told that Prabhupada is their Guru because he implemented a ritvik system does this make them immediately sincere and qualified to accept Prabhupada as guru?????

All the genuine devotees have long left APA-ISKCON and are now safety talking direct shelter of Srila Prabhupada and avoiding the apa - sampradaya community as His Divine Grace instructed. The I.R.M.'s policy is to bring back the sincere souls to the association of the members of the sinister movement. This is their clear deviation and offense to Srila Prabhupada.
 
Neophyte devotees cannot discriminate between a pseudo devotee (Kali chela) and a sincere soul seeking Srila Prabhupada's shelter. But by Divine arrangement and mercy, such vision for the neopyte is made easy. Those who accept a bogus guru in APA-ISKCON are pseudo devotees and those who accept Prabhupada are a little sincere.
 
So the I.R.M. is merely tamal's movement in another form, trying to bring the stray sheep (those souls who are struggling to realize that it is the Lord's kindness that such a cheating society based on envy of Srila Prabhupada was taken away from them.) back to the sinister movement. These sheep being attached to such cheating from time immemorial and unable appreciate the nectar of real association of Srila Prabhupada through his vani, are called back by Maya to the path of hell with her sweet I.R.M. call. "Soon everything will be fine in APA-ISKCON. They will reform and accept the ritvik system and then you can enjoy your friendship, society and love - mutual praising society again"
 
So this brings us back to I.R.M.'s second falsehood - namely making a material concoction of Srila Prabhupada's statement "Someone has poisoned me" No sane human being is going to accept that you can reform a society of Srila Prabhupada killers!!!
 
CONCLUSION

I.R.M. FIRST FALSEHOOD = REFORM AND THEN ASSOCIATE WITH THE PRABHUPADA KILLERS (APA - SAMPRADAYA)
 
I.R.M. SECOND FALSEHOOD TO COVER THE FIRST = WRITE A PAPER TO SAY THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA NEVER MADE A DIRECT STATEMENT THAT HE WAS POISONED.
 
 
OTHER POINTS.
 
I.R.M. Ban the book ALL OF US SHOULD HEAR PRABHUPADA.
 
I.R.M. Temple president in Bangalore says of the book in which His Divine Grace tells of his Pastimes, namely Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta As It Is "Lilamrta is mostly quotes, not pastimes" and won't distribute at his Bangalore temple (Source Jaya Krishna dasa.)
 
I.R.M. Bangalore distributes adulterated Prabhupada books and the offensive books by Satsvarupa.
(Source Jaya Krishna dasa.)
 
Some devotees (brahmacari's) at Bangalore Temple have never heard Prabhupada's statement "And this is also suicidal...The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? "
(Source Jaya Krishna dasa.)
 
Adri Dharana seen at New York Ratha Yatra with arm around Jayadwaita, joking around with "the most dangerous elements in human society" (Source Jaya Krishna dasa.)