AS IN THE PADDY FIELD
THE UNNECESSARY PLANTS
ARE TAKEN OUT.
 
Dear Nalinikant and Urdhvaga prabhu's, please accept my humble obeisances.
 
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
 
Thankyou so much for your very clear cut words. They very perfectly described the situation and gave great joy to my heart !
 
 
It does appear to me that Srila Prabhupada is revealing to us all, who is compromised with the demon Guru killers. It's like the battle of Kuruksetra, we are gradually seeing who is on which side. Srila Prabhupada is very mercifully protecting all his sincere disciples from the great sinister movement that he told us about in 1970.
 
 
It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society.
 
(Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970)
 
 
Speaking for myself, i would never have been able to discriminate who was who, but the way things are going it is becoming so clear to me who to neglect, as Srila Prabhupada instructs.

A mundane person in the dress of a Vaisnava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the sastra (upeksa). The word upeksa means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher's duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaisnava. When Narottama dasa Thakura says chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba, he is indicating an actual Vaisnava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava.

 
(C.C. Madhya Lila 1.218)
 
 
Anyway the end result of all this will be that Lord Caitanya will install Srila Prabhupada as world leader just as Lord Krsna installed  Maharaja Yudhisthira.
 
First job is to clear out all the demons !
 
As in the paddy field the unnecessary plants are taken out, so it is expected from the very beginning of these topics that in the religious field of Kuruksetra where the father of religion, Sri Krsna, was present, the unwanted plants like Dhrtarastra's son Duryodhana and others would be wiped out and the thoroughly religious persons, headed by Yudhisthira, would be established by the Lord. This is the significance of the words dharma-ksetre and kuru-ksetre, apart from their historical and Vedic importance.
 
(B.G. 1.1)
 
 
Your servant Mukunda dasa.
 
 
LETTERS FROM NALINIKANT AND URDHVAGA PRABHU'S
ON IRM WORD JUGGLERY
 
Not that I have been asked my opinion, but I have listened to Srila  Prabhupada's comments in Nov. of 1977.  You can clearly hear him bring up poisoning, and say it from 5 different angles at least---someone has said
it, the astrologer knows, I have all the symptoms, it is possible, all these people are saying, etc.  Since he says this, and asks fervently to be let out of his room, and says he would rather go out than stay there and be killed
by Ravana, and he brings up that his own guru was poisoned---it would seem rather heartless for some party to bring up semantics as an argument against the whole context and mood of these conversations.  Maybe if one doesn't accept Srila Prabhupada as the direct via medium to God, we can engage in debate about exact wordage, but to most people, he is as good as God, and if he brings up this situation in the last week of his life, and is as much as pleading for our help, one would seemingly have to be completely inconsiderate to start arguing the matter.  Rather, the heart should just break upon even hearing his words.

 NKD
 
 
 
Dear Nalinikant
 
PAMHO. AGTSP. All Glories To Your Service.

Thousands of dandavats to your feet prabhu, for upholding the truth. Your are right! We completely agree with you and with Srila Prabhupada. His own words are very clear to understand and need no interpretation from third parties.
 
Only fools, rascals and idiots will dare to twist them around and speculate about the so called exact wordage. it would seem rather heartless for some party to bring up semantics as an argument against the whole context and mood of these conversations  I would even go as far as to state that those parties are possessed of demonic consciousness.
 
 They are against Srila Prabhupada because they argue against him, against his words and misinterpret the meaning, trying to fool others with unnecessary word jugglery and rhetoric. They have no faith and think he is dead. They try to tell us, that we are no longer able to directly understand what Srila Prabhupada really means to say to us, and that we need them and their (mis)interpretations to understand that Srila Prabhupada was not poisoned when in fact Srila Prabhupada complains about poisoning. But this also means that those parties implying that Srila Prabhupada is an unintelligent stupid person who is not able to express himself properly to his disciples, and that all his words therefore need to be interpreted so  that we can understand the real meaning. 
 
All this garbage arguments we already have herd from all those bogus GBC/GURU successors posing as "current links" with exclusive rights to explain to us what Srila Prabhupada really, really means to say, since we no longer can  understand his own spoken words. Now this whole bullshit repeats again.
 
How come Srila Prabhupada is no longer able to communicate directly to us in a proper understanding? How come Srila Prabhupadas own spoken words have to be interpreted by those other parties so that they can be understood properly. Is Prabhupada stupid that he no longer is able to directly express himself?
 
How dare they are.

I am completely shocked by so much audacity, rascaldom and idiocy coming from those third party devotees who want to force us to accept their own limited understanding, speculation and pure concoction instead of Srila Prabhupadas own expression (his clear orders as well).

Your servant,
Urdhvaga Das
 
 
MUNDANE MATERIAL LOGIC
 
 If you are indeed interested in logic and argument, kindly apply it to the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. If you do so, you will find it to be strikingly wonderful.
 
PURPORT: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura comments in this connection that people in general, in their narrow-minded conception of life, create many different types of humanitarian activities, but the humanitarian activities inaugurated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu are different. For logicians who want to accept only that which is proven through logic and argument, it is a fact that without logic and reason there can be no question of accepting the Absolute Truth. Unfortunately, when such logicians take to this path without the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, they remain on the platform of logic and argument and do not advance in spiritual life. However, if one is intelligent enough to apply his arguments and logic to the subtle understanding of the fundamental spiritual substance, he will be able to know that a poor fund of knowledge established on the basis of material logic cannot help one understand the Absolute Truth, which is beyond the reach of imperfect senses. The Mahabharata therefore says: acintyah khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojayet. (Mahabharata, Bhisma-parva 5.22) How can that which is beyond the imagination or sensory speculation of mundane creatures be approached simply by logic? Logic and argument are very poor in spiritual strength and always imperfect when applied to spiritual understanding. By putting forward mundane logic one frequently comes to the wrong conclusion regarding the Absolute Truth, and as a result of such a conclusion one may fall down to accept a body like that of a jackal.
   Despite all this, those who are actually inquisitive to understand the philosophy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu through logic and argument are welcome. Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami addresses them, "Please put Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mercy to your crucial test, and if you are actually a logician you will come to the right conclusion that there is no personality more merciful than Lord Caitanya." Let the logicians compare all the results of other humanitarian work with the merciful activities of Lord Caitanya. If their judgment is impartial, they will understand that no other humanitarian activities can surpass those of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
   Everyone is engaged in humanitarian activities on the basis of the body, but from the Bhagavad-gita (2.18) we understand, anta-vanta ime deha nityasyoktah saririnah: The material body is ultimately subject to destruction, whereas the spiritual soul is eternal. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's philanthropic activities are performed in connection with the eternal soul. However one tries to benefit the body, it will be destroyed, and one will have to accept another body according to his present activities. If one does not, therefore, understand this science of transmigration but considers the body to be all in all, his intelligence is not very advanced. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, without neglecting the necessities of the body, imparted spiritual advancement to purify the existential condition of humanity. Therefore if a logician makes his judgment impartially, he will surely find that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the maha-vadanyavatara, the most magnanimous incarnation. He is even more magnanimous than Lord Krsna Himself. Lord Krsna demanded that one surrender unto Him, but He did not distribute love of Godhead as magnanimously as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Therefore Srila Rupa Gosvami offers Lord Caitanya his respectful obeisances with the words namo maha-vadanyaya krsna-prema-pradaya te krsnaya krsna-caitanya-namne gaura-tvise namah. Lord Krsna simply gave the Bhagavad-gita, by which one can understand Lord Krsna as He is, but Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is also Krsna Himself, gave people love of Krsna without discrimination.
 

(C.C. Adi Lila 8.15)
 
 
NICE QUOTE SUPPLIED BY DAMAGHOSA PRABHU
 
SB 3.5.45 P        Vidura' s Talks with Maitreya      19969/549557
   Such offenders cannot actually see the lotus feet of the Lord
within themselves, nor are they even able to see the devotees of
the Lord. The devotees of the Lord are so kind that they roam to
all places to enlighten people in God consciousness. The
offenders, however, lose the chance to receive the Lord's
devotees, although the offenseless common man is at once
influenced by the devotees' presence. In this connection there is
an interesting story of a hunter and Devarsi Narada. A hunter in
the forest, although a great sinner, was not an intentional
offender. He was at once influenced by the presence of Narada, and
he agreed to take the path of devotion, leaving aside his hearth
and home. But the offenders Nalakuvara and Manigriva, even though
living amongst the demigods, had to undergo the punishment of
becoming trees in their next lives, although by the grace of a
devotee they were later delivered by the Lord. Offenders have to
wait until they receive the mercy of devotees, and then they can
become eligible to see the lotus feet of the Lord within
themselves. But due to their offenses and their extreme
materialism, they cannot see even the devotees of the Lord.
Engaged in external activities, they kill the internal vision.