presented herein is from June 1976 in which Srila Prabhupada is asked about the
world bankers' conspiracy to secretly manipulate and ultimately
rule the world by dictatorship. Prabhupada replies that this is
an open secret; in this degraded age those who have [print and
thus control] money have all power to make conspiracy or
anything, whatever they like.
In the next
conversation, from January 1977, Srila Prabhupada reveals the
solution: by establishing independent, God conscious, self-sufficient
farm communities, we will bring about the collapse of this
cheating, artificial way of banking, ultimately disempowering
demoniac New World Order agenda.
WHAT THE ANTI NEW
MOVEMENT NEED TO UNDERSTAND
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has got money, he has got power.
That is open secret. What is the secret? (laughs)
If you have got money, you have got all power.
Ramesvara: So now these governments are very rascal. They are
cheating the people deliberately.
Prabhupada: Well, government means combination of cheaters like
you. What do you expect more than that? If you are cheaters,
then you go to the government. Someway or other get vote. Bribe
or something nefarious you do and get vote, and they become
cheap government man. And then do your business. Because you are
cheater, you have come to the post of prestige and power. What
you will do? You know simply only cheat.
Tamala Krsna: So he'll cheat more.
Prabhupada: That's all. You have now got the power. You cheat
Ramesvara: The people in America that claim that the American
government is controlled by Communists. They say that these big,
big bankers, the very rich, rich people, that they are
actually..., their theory is Communist government, or, not
Communist, dictatorship, and that they are secretly
Prabhupada: What is their aim?
Prabhupada: Power..., anyone who has got money, he has got
power. That is open secret. What is the secret? (laughs) If you
have got money, you have got all power.
Ramesvara: They're very expert in making the people think that
this is democracy and that the people have power. (static)
Prabhupada: If you can purchase vote by paying money, then where
Ramesvara: Just like one of their arguments is that these rich
bankers, they can control how much money is being printed.
Prabhupada: Yes, suppose I stand for presidency, and I take
money from bank and bribe and get vote.
Ramesvara: So they can actually create, by their control, a
Prabhupada: Yes, money can buy. The real thing is money. That is
stated in the Bhagavata. Money is the criterion in the Kali-yuga.
[this degraded age of quarrel] If you have got money, then you
don't require anything; you can purchase anything.
Ramesvara: Purchase justice.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, anything. That is stated in the Bhagavata.
So therefore people are trying to get money somehow or other.
Then he knows, "I get all power." The present struggle is
everyone is trying to get more, more, more, more money. Because
everyone knows if I get money then I....
Ramesvara: So there is this theory that there is a conspiracy
all over the world that the rich men to control.
Prabhupada: That is, we say. If you have got money, you can make
conspiracy or anything, whatever you like. Conspiracy I cannot
make, I have no money, I cannot make conspiracy. But if I have
got money, I can develop a conspiracy with my money. That one
man asked, "Have you got any intelligence?" The man began to....
"Let me see." "What is that?" "I am seeing my pocket." "Why
pocket?" "Intelligence means pocket." If there is money in my
pocket, then there is intelligence. Otherwise, there is no
intelligence. And Canakya Pandita also said, daridra-doso
guna-rasir nasi. A man may be very, very big, qualified man, but
if he's poor, everything's finished. Daridra-doso guna-rasir
Prabhupada Morning Walk, June 4, 1976, Los Angeles]
artificial way of banking, that will be also collapsed.
Ramesvara: There was one question I had, Srila Prabhupada. You
have written in the Third Volume of the First Canto different
instructions for the age of Kali, how there'll be compulsory
marriage and so on and so on. And you mentioned about the gold
standard, that this is very bad, this artificial standard of
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. It is very bad.
Ramesvara: In the future this is something that we should try to
Prabhupada: You should introduce coin, real money.
Hari-sauri: Real gold coins. No paper.
Prabhupada: Anyone has got money... It is fact. And what is this
nonsense, keeping some paper and thinking he has got money? How
cheating it is going on, from government's side. And therefore
artificial inflation. You can print, so the price is increased.
Because you haven't got to pay him real money, you print and pay
him, and he will ask, "Give me this money. Then I'll supply."
"All right, take." You print and pay.
Ramesvara: It's definitely a means that the government has for
controlling. Because they can withdraw money, pull it back out
of circulation by increasing the interest the banks give, or
they can get more money in...
Prabhupada: Anything done artificially.
Ramesvara: They control the amount of interest on loans. It's
all standardized from what they call the Federal Reserve system.
This was introduced during the Depression by the bankers.
Prabhupada: Whatever they do, when you receive money in the
paper it has no value. Bad money. It is bad money. It is not
Ramesvara: Actually most purchasing in America is done on credit
now. Even a step beyond paper money is credit, no money, buying
on no money, loans.
Prabhupada: That is in India also.
Ramesvara: We don't find these things in Vedic culture too much.
Prabhupada: There was never paper money.
Hari-sauri: No. They used to...
Prabhupada: That barter system. You have got rice; I have got
something else. So I give you something; you give me something.
Hari-sauri: But isn't inflation possible even with coins? Even
if you have gold coins, isn't inflation still possible?
Prabhupada: No, gold is acceptable by everyone.
Ramesvara: The main point is the barter system.
Hari-sauri: Yes, well its value is recognized by its purchasing
Hari-sauri: So you can alter... Say, you have one gold coin. You
can alter what it...
Prabhupada: No. If you introduce real metal coin, then there
will be no inflation.
Hari-sauri: There's only a certain amount of metal.
Prabhupada: That's all right. The exchange... The more demand,
more price. So suppose here is a spectacle. I am demanding ten
rupees. So both of you are customer, and you are asking for this
spectacle. Then I am increasing my price. So if you can pay me
by printing paper, you'll accept any price. That means
artificially price is increased. Is it not?
Hari-sauri: So the idea is that with coins the man who has the
goods, he can't...
Prabhupada: Therefore... Suppose he has got ten coins; you have
got ten coins. I am wanting fifteen coins. So there will be no
competition. I have to accept either from you or you, ten coins.
Hari-sauri: Right. Because there's only that much money.
Prabhupada: But if I increase price and if you print... If you
have got power to print, "All right. Take fifteen coins, er,
fifteen rupees." But you print and pay me. But if the gold, the
coin, is there, you cannot increase on that.
Hari-sauri: He can't increase the price of the product, and the
man who got..., 'cause there's only a certain amount of money
Prabhupada: But I can increase the price provided you pay me.
But by printing, it is easier. But if you have to collect coins,
that will be difficult, so there will be no artificial increase
Hari-sauri: Yes. Coins is a check...
Hari-sauri: ...on charging too much.
Prabhupada: That is wanted. And these rascals, they are
artificially printing paper as money. And I am a rascal; I'm
demanding more because I have got customer.
Ramesvara: The difference between Vedic culture and..., the
Krsna conscious culture and the modern culture is very, very
dramatic, very big difference. So the transforming of society...
Prabhupada: And besides that, if we concentrate in farm project
there will be no need of exchange, because I'll be satisfied
with my products. That's all. There is no need of exchange.
Whatever I need, I get in my farm.
Ramesvara: Weaving, cloth.
Prabhupada: Everything I get. So I haven't got to go outside for
exchange. If you are satisfied in your farm--I am
satisfied--then where is question of exchange? There is no need
of artificial... So this banking, "fanking," everything will
collapse automatically. There is no money, who is going to keep
money in the bank?
Hari-sauri: Who needs it?
Prabhupada: (laughs) So this artificial way of banking, that
will be also collapsed.
Hari-sauri: This is revolutionary.
Ramesvara: It's very hard for the mind to...
Prabhupada: No, simply do this.
Ramesvara: Such a dramatic transformation of society.
Prabhupada: Yes. Whatever it may be... We should be satisfied
locally by our food, by our cloth, by our milk. That's all. Let
the whole world go to hell. We don't care. If you want to save
yourself also, you do this. Here is an example. If you want
artificial life, city life, and hellish life, you do. But we
shall live like this. This is the ideal life.
Prabhupada Room Conversation, January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar]